Why Has This Not Been Mentioned?
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Topic: Why Has This Not Been Mentioned?
Posted By: Cinderella
Subject: Why Has This Not Been Mentioned?
Date Posted: 07Mar2008 at 5:57pm
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I do not know why this has not surfaced yet, but last season Bo Overton made several attempts to be as physical with his athletes as they are with Basketball. This was brought to the attention of the Sky staff at the end of last season, and very little has been done. I do not understand how a professional basketball program can support this. I think that it is terrible to think a player may be on the team or not be, or may play or not play depending on what they do with Bo physically. Am I the only one that feels this way? Is there something here in Chicago I have not read on this issue? I would like to hear the defense of the Chicago Sky or the comments Bo would make regarding the situation he placed himself in.
I think when your all-star player says she will not play if Bo Overton stays in Chicago, even requests a trade because he is still present, I think at this point it should become public for everyone to hear about. I think it is sick that the Sky continue to cover this up, I think that if they have passed on to the WNBA and nothing has been done about it then I look down on the league for this. I think of last season where Deanna Jackson hit a girl in a foriegn country and was suspended from the league ultimately not playing in the WNBA for the entire season, then look at a coach threatening and sexually harrassing a player then say HUH! ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
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Posted By: ChiSkyFan
Date Posted: 08Mar2008 at 11:05am
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You amaze me every single time with your inside knowledge. Where on earth did you get this one from?! They would crumble if this came out. Although I would not put it past Bo because I remember hearing some rumblings like this while he was at Oklahoma. If it means keeping our players happy then he needs to go ASAP. There is no room for that kind of stuff in this league.
He's definitely an upgrade from Dave Coward but I would not shed a single tear if he left. May do the team some good, considering he doesn't appear to know what he's doing during the games anyway. And if we lose our "allstar" whom I assume is Candice, I will NOT be a fan of the Sky, especially if his inappropriateness is the reason. Chicago Sky Staff take notice! ------------- ChiSkyFan |
Posted By: bullsky
Date Posted: 08Mar2008 at 11:40am
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Damn. I was hoping idchafee's attempt to bury this post would work. ------------- 2008 Chicago Sky 8-16 U-S-A! All The Way! |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 08Mar2008 at 12:53pm
| Well now that ChiSkyFan has messed up my effort, I'll say what I was thinking, and what I think every time Cinderella posts something like this: I refuse to take something this important as anything other than garbage without something more than Cinderella's word, which is all she has ever given us to go on. This isn't the 1st time we've heard this song and dance from Cinderella and all we ever get is a song and dance. I want some proof, or I write it off as garbage. |
Posted By: Cody
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 3:00pm
| I don't know who Cinderella is, but I do know that the comment is absolutely true. Sky's Allstar player did ask for a trade because of Bo Overton's actions and the lack of support from the president and owner of the Sky. The Sky staff should have initiated an investigation immediately after they found out about the sexual harassment from Bo Overton towards some Sky players. The Sky staff has tried to down-play the situation and are taking Bo's word over 13 players...how can 13 players all be wrong??? Did any of you ever wonder why Bo Overton always took out his key players in the most crucial moments of many games last season to put in all his blond players??? Very noticeable to many sky fans!! Bo must go and the owner and president of the Sky need to start acting like they know how to run a business and manage their staff and stop acting like nothing is wrong...wake up Michael and Margaret...the balls in your court now. |
Posted By: Cinderella
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 7:21pm
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For those of you who take advantage of the information they read on this blog then I hope your being informed before the topic goes public is credited. AND..... YES STACEY DALES is retiring... so enjoy our frigid weather here in Chicago and happy posting.
Missed you IDCHAFEE,... ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
Posted By: Cinderella
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 7:45pm
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Bullsky, Huskie, Idchafee... do you not believe what this says? Or are you affraid that it is true? Please let me know how in your mind you feel the discomfort of an athlete and sexual harrassment of a coach is in any way, shape, or form acceptable on a team you are proud fans of? Every piece of evidence has to have an original author, you just are lucky enough that you have it HERE. ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 7:48pm
Its the 1st one. I don't believe you. I hear nothing about this from anyone besides you and you're just a anonymous name on an internet forum. What evidence have you given me or anyone to prove you're anything other than an everyday internet loon? edit: you can start by telling me how you came by this information. Are you a Sky employee? A UIC one? How did you get this info when as far as I can tell, NO ONE ELSE HAS IT? |
Posted By: Cinderella
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 7:56pm
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Actually many people have this information, they just do not care about the other people to share it with them. Since this is a forum for SKY members, and this is in direct correlation with a SKY issue, I felt it was your right to know of such an issue. I could however just let it go, but since you already know, I would assume you would try to find out if it was true or not rather than being an ass and trying to defend a defenseless case. I do appreciate your kind thanks in advance for the information, and once again, this is a FORUM which is a part of the new thing called "The Internet", where IDENTITY is sorta a big deal. (yes I know the internet is not new for those who are a little slower than others) ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 8:02pm
| In other words, you expect me to just believe you at face value. Sorry, not happening. |
Posted By: Cinderella
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 8:03pm
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Then bite your tongue and let this ride. ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 8:03pm
that advice could work well both ways. |
Posted By: Cinderella
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 8:07pm
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Do you work? Does your boss come on to you? Does your boss threaten your job if you do not get physical with him? I do not expect an answer, but understand they are not only athletes, they are a business token, if a business looks bad then they do not sell. If the Sky get a negative headline, well you figure it out. This is not right for the athletes on the team or for the fans of the Chicago Sky. If you want that tongue to be bit then I shame you for such a thought. ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 8:23pm
If at some point someone other than just you and only you starts talking about this and/or Overton is fired for inappropriate behavior, I will issue a complete mea culpa. Until that point, just call me Thomas, as in Doubting.
Sorry Cinderella, I don't believe you because all you have is.....you. I just need more than one anonymous internet person's word. If I believe you in this, I also have to believe the guy that wrote "for a good time call (xxx)xxx-xxxx" on the bathroom wall. After all, I know his sources as well as I know yours.
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Posted By: MattinDE
Date Posted: 09Mar2008 at 8:55pm
On top of idchafee's points, Cinderella, you have zero credibility here. Time and again, you levee accusations at Bo Overton and NEVER ONCE has any proof been offered up or any source of your information listed. I've proven you false on more than one occasion myself (not to mention all the other times others have proven you false). If you did indeed have proof of what you're saying, why are you wasting your time posting it here instead of offering proof to someone in a position who could do something about it? I'll answer my own question...it's because you have no proof and are simply trying to, ONCE AGAIN, antagonize Sky fans who blog here.
It's just you acting the same dumb beating the same drum! Same crap, different month.
As if your misinformation is not bad enough, you've deemed it worth your while (and, dare I say, fun!!!) to verbally assault underage bloggers who enjoy posting on this website. Your assertion that Stacey Dales is retiring is one very minor example of this (given that at least half a dozen kids who post here are hoping and praying she comes back - and have expressed their desire for her to come back in a previous topic posted in the "2008 Season" section).
Mrs. Cowens, or whoever you are, please just go away and let the young fans enjoy their message board and, indeed, their favorite basketball team. Your antics, your attacks, and your falsehoods go way beyond not being welcome.
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Posted By: Cody
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 6:42am
| As a parent of one of the Sky players, it hurts me to admit that the information that Cinderella has provided in this "official" forum is true! I have personal, first-hand knowledge of this whole mess and I was hoping that Margaret and Michael would have done the right thing at the end of last season, but they didn't. I'm sure at some point, the Chicago Tribune will get wind of this, but women's basketball never gets the attention it deserves whether it's positive or negative. I wish I could remove my daughter from that team and that coach, but, she's a grown woman now and she has to work this out herself. I just ask each and everyone of you who read these sexual harassment comments made towards Bo Overton understand how painful it is to be the mother of one of these players...if I could, I would file charges against him and then personally beat his *s*&. There is no room for sexuall harassment in any organization. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 7:55am
And do *YOU* have any proof, or are we expected to believe you because you tell us too as well? edit: and if what you say is true and your daughter is still playing for him, why the hell is that?? edit II: I just spent the last 20 minutes googling every variation on "Bo Overton sexual harassment" I could think of. I'd post my results, but there aren't any. I just simply can't believe that the *only* people who know about this are one random anonymous person on an internet forum and another username that may or may not be related to the 1st person. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 8:28am
If that were indeed the case, that would definitely be something I'd want addressed. I don't believe it to be the case here because you've given me nothing to believe except your word. And I don't know you, I have no reason to believe you without any sort of support. Sorry. |
Posted By: Huskie
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 9:54am
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Anyone can Google 'Reporting Sexual Harrassment' and find a million ways to handle the situation, appropriately. That is assuming that there is harrassment going on and not just a smear campaign against Coach Overton.
------------- # 33- Steph Raymond- never forgotten by a fellow Huskie. |
Posted By: hoopladreams
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 11:43am
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On one hand...
Sexual harassment by coaches in girls/womens sports is extremely common. It's a huge problem that is often times overlooked and/or ignored.
On the other hand...
We're talking about Bo Overton here. If he is sexually harassing players on this team, then the Sky would get rid of him. He ain't Phil Jackson. He hasn't led us to 6-titles. He ain't Da Coach. He's not a beloved, iconic figure in Chicago sports. Why the hell would the Sky risk a PR nightmare and chose to stay loyal to Overton over the players...including our all-star? THAT doesn't make any sense. THAT'S why I put no credence in your accusations.
Not to mention that you're talking circles around yourself. I mean, the way you put it, either the front office doesn't care about the situation and is ignoring it or they do care and are hiring investigators to get to the bottom of it. Which is it?
Either way, I think it's in poor taste for you to hijack the board like this. Why on earth would any of us believe you? We don't know you and you don't have any proof. If you guys (Cinderella and Cody) have insider information or you know someone on the team and know for a fact that this is going on, posting it on this message board is NOT helping the cause. Go to the media. I don't know how effictive your average private investigator is, but I do know that if something is there, the media will dig it up in a hot second. Then the story will be published in a CREDIBLE and REPUTABLE manner and we can all have a real discussion about this.
In short, either step up and do something legit to prove your claims or close your mouth. ------------- http://www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com - www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 11:56am
And Hoopladreams busts in and says what I've been trying to say, just hoopla said it much better than I did. Thank you. |
Posted By: ChicagoSkyAdmin
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 12:31pm
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I’m writing to respond to some of the serious and alarming comments that appeared on the message board. Let me state unequivocally that the Chicago Sky organization takes any allegations of sexual harassment extremely seriously. If any of you have any evidence of any acts of sexual harassment, I strongly urge you to share it with me as soon as possible. You can email me at mstender@chicagosky.net or you can call me at 312-828-9710. The Chicago Sky and I personally are fully committed to ensuring a safe and positive environment for our players as well as ensuring due process. When it comes to something as serious as sexual harassment, I believe that gossip and unsubstantiated innuendo do a disservice to all involved. That is why I again urge anyone who has knowledge of any misconduct to get in touch with me as soon as possible so that we can investigate and resolve these claims now. The Chicago Sky organization has promised from our inception to hold itself to the highest standard of integrity and conduct and we remain absolutely dedicated to that end. -Margaret Stender |
Posted By: Huskie
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 1:31pm
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Thank you Margaret. ------------- # 33- Steph Raymond- never forgotten by a fellow Huskie. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 1:36pm
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Something else that occured to me and prompted me to go back and do some digging: Dales was sitting with Overton at a Depaul game this offseason Why would she be sitting next to him on her own time if he was driving her from the league with his awfulness? This just seems more and more outlandish the more I read. http://www.chicagoskytalk.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=773&PID=11260#11260 - http://www.chicagoskytalk.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=773&PID=11260#11260 edit: dammit, this board doesn't like html code. I hate BBCode |
Posted By: vickilz
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 2:49pm
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I applaud Margaret for inviting anyone with evidence or knowlege of sexual harassment to contact her. Since there are two posters on this board claiming to have knowledge of such harassment, I hope they have already contacted Margaret. If they do not contact her, is it safe to assume that they do not have any such knowledge and these allegations are not true? If so I hope the Sky Administration has a way to ban them from this board.
Sexual harassment is wrong, so is slander & liable.
I wonder, does the players union or league itself have any policy or resources about sexual harassment?
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Posted By: Cinderella
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 8:21pm
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What has been said here never answered the question posted to Margaret about harrassment between Bo and the players, it simply stated that they take it seriously. Which they are doing as we speak with an investigator. She never said that these allegations were not true, or denied them in any way. She was simply proffessional in stating that they are handling them in an equal manner. I know this is nothing Margaret would deny because of the heavy paper trail there is regarding this issue. Margaret is a very proffessional lady who will handle this in the end, but needs to keep in mind that the truth is out there and can be proved. Since there is an investigator involved you will see as much search for the facts as possible from HER and from the staff, which is a reason Margaret requested any further information to be sent to her behalf and ASAP. Hence' for time to rehire for the upcoming season. You can all respond as you wish, but what has been posted is the truth.
And for anyone thinking I do not like BO, I DON'T... the reason for my dislike in Bo comes directly from the season plagued with the horror stories which surfaced into the Chicago Sky Staffs hand at the end of the season. The same stories you have read on previous posts.
And for all you go-getters that have proved me wrong, and have supposively showed where I was wrong in the past.... please come forward and remind me of no such instance. ------------- "Do you love me because I am beautiful, or am I beautiful because you love me?" (Oscar Hammerstein II) |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 8:25pm
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God this board needs an ignore feature. Until someone other than you says it, I believe it to be utter bullsh*t. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. edit: I know nothing about investigations like the one Cinderella is claiming is happening. How long do they take? She's been singing this song for 6+ months, do they really take that long with NO WORD OF IT LEAKING OUT ANYWHERE? That would have to be unprecedented, to say the least  |
Posted By: BESTof7
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 9:09pm
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Because there "is" no denial of knowledge of the accusations by the administration, it does seem like they're taking the 5th not to incriminate themselves. Let's just hope it is because they can't comment on an ongoing investigation and they are gathering the facts and taking the appropriate actions to get this resolved before the season starts.
So who should Bo's replacement be?
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Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 10:58pm
Dammit I'm going to either find out that this is true or I'm going to be able to call Cinderella's bluff. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 11:00pm
Haven't you at various times accused the Sky of a cover-up? What is it, are they investigating, or are they covering up? Is Stender covering for a predator, or is she a "very proffessional lady?" Are you coming or are you going? Do you even know anymore? |
Posted By: Rids
Date Posted: 10Mar2008 at 11:36pm
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In a sporting situation where the team is together for less time than they are apart and when they disband as a group they scatter into several countries and many situations it seems odd that nothing would come to light during that time apart. I understand how locker rooms can band together and keep potentially damaging information under wraps but you're saying that not only that it happened but that nobody said anything to anybody that would've let it slip even by accident. To me it seems unlikely that this perfect storm of situations has occurred and managed to keep this silent. Times like this I wished all forums that log IPs would also make the available. It would be interesting to see where the seeds are planted. ------------- Go Sky! http://www.JessicaRidley.com << my country singing wife |
Posted By: MattinDE
Date Posted: 11Mar2008 at 10:48am
Your lack of memory disappoints me, Cinderella. I clearly remember proving you so wrong that you congratulated me and then never replied back on a vitrolic topic you yourself created:
http://www.chicagoskytalk.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=606&KW=Overton&PN=3 - http://www.chicagoskytalk.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=606&KW=Overton&PN=3
This is a repeating pattern with you. You make horrible comments about the Sky and various Sky fans, people prove you wrong, and then you go away for a while. You also try consistently to play both sides of an issue and end up contradicting yourself in the process. Just yesterday, idchafee pointed this out to you regarding your comments about Margaret Stender.
It's obvious to me that your out to get Bo Overton for one reason or another (because he is consistently your favorite target). I hope you have a good defense because defamation of character is a crime punishable in a court of law (and I hope they nail you to a cross in court for this!).
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Posted By: nonoeimportant
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 5:08pm
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This is my first and probably only post on this forum. I have never followed the Sky--don't care for women's basketball-just not my thing. Somehow or another I ended up on a Sky mailing list and have never bothered to remove myself. When I saw the email today about there being a new coach I checked it out instead of hitting delete just to see if I would recognize the name. The way the email was worded immediately made me think something was up. No one transitions from GM/Coach to Gm/Coach in a day without a search and with such a short release. Something just came up as not right. So I googled "Bo Overton" and came up on this forum string. I have two comments to make--1) I have no idea who anyone on this forum board is and don't care, but if I'm laying odds right now, I am totally betting on this Cinderella person being--if not right--pretty close to it, and 2) Just for the record, defamation of character/slander is an amazingly tough case to make in court, especially when it involves a "public figure"--damn near impossible.
That all being said, I hope the organization and its players have a great season and handle the transition well (though I probably won't be aware if they do) |
Posted By: soemsky
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 6:00pm
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I am WNBA fan (not in the SKY market though). I got here like a previous poster, saw the Overton announcement and it just smelled funny. Cinderella here provides at least some clue as to why that happened -- because the press release sure didn't. If what she (and Cody) say here is half true, then the naysayers here really need to look themselves in the mirror. Why shoot the messenger? Do you people have to be in the room when its happening as the only *evidence* you will accept? I guess right here on this forum is an example of why harassment isn't reported as often in the first place. This should be an exciting time for the SKY. You can anticipate getting Silvia Fowles in the draft and start being a major contender for the championships soon. Hope it all works out and looking forward to seeing the 2008 SKY team. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 6:09pm
You ask valid questions, but this is the one I can answer, at least for myself. No, I do not need to be in the room. However, I do need more than the word of an anonymous person I've never met on an internet chat forum. And really, that's all I ever said. I didn't believe Cinderella because she had nothing but her word. And she either couldn't or wouldn't tell us where she got her information. I'm still not sure I believe her, for that matter. I will admit to being more inclined to believe her now than I was yesterday but that's more because there's actual evidence for me to consider. And even that evidence is open to interpretation. I will also admit that Cinderella's "you should believe me because I'm me" stance turned me off from the beginning. There's also her history of hating Overton well before these allegations ever came out. When she made these accusations, I said to myself "well, there goes Cinderella hating on Bo again." As I said in the other thread, the next week or so will really be telling for me personally. If he ends up at UCLA or somewhere else, then I'm back to not believing Cinderella. If he doesn't, I'm inclined to believe her more than I was last week. But that's not because I suddenly believe Cinderella - its because there's some backing evidence. |
Posted By: soemsky
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 6:21pm
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I know this is tougher for you folks than an outsider. I'll say this and be out ... Someone asked for one other poster (besides Cinderella) to offer testimony on the issue ... and Cody stepped forward as a mother of a player. After Cody did step forward and supported Cinderella's story, Cody then got blasted it seemed. Enough said in my book ... But as I mentioned earlier ... hope it all works out well for you in the upcoming weeks and months. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 6:47pm
I believed Cody to be Cinderella posting under another name. Look at it from my point of view: Cinderella posts, gets slammed, we demand evidence. And lo! as if from heaven! Here is another poster, who signed up for the board just in time to back Cinderella's story! Its a miracle!! See where my skepticism came from? |
Posted By: Huskie
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 6:50pm
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When is this board going to get back to the players, the games, the league and supporting the youth that post here -- hoping their dream of becoming a WNBA player or winning a scholarship to a good school comes true (see Lil Nikki and NC A&T scholarship) -- 'friendly battles' between Lil Nikki and StacyIsMyIdol. ... joining up in a fantasy league and having friendly, intelligent conversations about BASKETBALL.
Lets get back to it everyone PUHLEEZ!
At the same time I trust that the 'administration' has taken on their role as forum monitor. ------------- # 33- Steph Raymond- never forgotten by a fellow Huskie. |
Posted By: vickilz
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 6:52pm
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As I have said in an earlier post, unfortunately Cinderella has a bad reputation here on this board. What happened on this board is a reflection on society, it is easier to not believe someone with a bad reputation than to believe something bad about a popular, well liked person. It did not help that there were contradictions within or between Cinderella's posts. IF the connection that people seem to be drawing - some evidence or truth to the behavior that Cinderella was posting about, lead to Bo's resignation, then I am glad that Cinderella was as persistent as she/he was and thankful to whoever contacted the Sky Administration with the evidence or information.
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Posted By: alexisfan
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 7:16pm
I hope this was done as early as possible. Harassment in the first instance should be reported to those capable of dealing with it.
Putting this kind of thing on an internet forum, without any evidence and amid suspicion that you hold some kind of agenda based on a grudge, is not the smartest thing to do. That's where Cinderella fell. It shouldn't be surprising to any follower of this message board that few of us, if any at all, believed her.
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Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 7:22pm
That might very well be me, although my intention was to prove Cinderella wrong. I e-mailed Margaret Stender, and I e-mail a reporter from the Tribune. If me doing that is what caused this, and Overton was in fact guilty then it all turned out well, although I still question why Cinderella decided that this was the place to air these grievances and not the Sky themselves. |
Posted By: alexisfan
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 7:37pm
Exactly.
To be honest, I also considered e-mailing someone high up at (in?) the Sky but never got round to it. My instincts were that one of the players would have already lodged a complaint if the whole thing was true. (Cinderella did say that Candice, for one, wanted out if Bo remained in Chicago.)
I don't want to think this is true, but this kind of thing is more common in sports than people at first realise. (I agree with whoever said that earlier.) It's also strange to think we played so well last year despite all this going on behind the scenes.
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Posted By: Admiral_Needa
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 7:37pm
Thanks for the due diligence regarding this issue, idchafee. I've been following this since it began, but I'll think I'll reserve comment until the facts come out... hopefully soon. But, I must admit, I had doubts similar to yours. For me, the doubts began after observing the use of the word 'bury' spelled as 'burry'... twice. ------------- http://web.archive.org/web/20030630154949/http://games.espn.go.com/content/wvgm/2003/story?page=winner2002 - 2002 WNBA Virtual GM Overall Winner 2006 WNBA Triple Threat Overall Winner |
Posted By: vickilz
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 8:14pm
If Bo's resignation is related to harassment or misconduct issues, I'd be very suprised if any facts are releases, unless one of the players or former players publicly comes forward with the charge. As much as we may want to know, I doubt we ever will know what really happened.
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Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 8:15pm
LOL I made note of that too, along with Margaret Stender being very "proffesional." But I try hard not to be a grammar Nazi. As long as the point gets across I'm generally cool with it. And I'll say it again: I contact both Margaret and the reporter in an effort to prove Cinderella wrong. I truly believed that she was completely full of feces, that this was just the latest in a loooooonnngg line of anti-Bo posts. And if my efforts gave weight to otherwise baseless nonsense, I'm very sorry it worked out that way and very disappointed that the sky whacked a good coach over some random internet weirdo. On the other hand, if my efforts (spurred by Cinderella) led the sky to catch and remove a bad guy, then that's cool. Unfortunately, I don't know that we'll ever know the truth. Even if Bo gets a top notch job tomorrow, Cinderella will still say he was a predator and so on. But, maybe she'll go chase him to the UCLA fan forum and start the whole thing over again. |
Posted By: Huskie
Date Posted: 12Mar2008 at 8:28pm
I don't know if I should laugh at that idchafee or   ------------- # 33- Steph Raymond- never forgotten by a fellow Huskie. |
Posted By: Admiral_Needa
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 3:23am
Yeah, don't worry idchafee, I'm cool with it too, but for me, if I read a comment such as 'this player rocks', with rocks spelled R-O-X, or 'this player sucks', spelled S-U-X, I might not give much thought to the opinion expressed. I guess that's why I didn't respond to this situation when it first came to light.
Anyways, here are some recent articles about our message board:
Team: Claims posted on its Web site not direct cause
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/sky/cs-080312-chicago-sky-overton-coach,1,3178094.story - http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/sky/cs-080312-chicago-sky-overton-coach,1,3178094.story
Sky Coach Overton resigns, but why?
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=152201&src=160 - http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=152201&src=160
------------- http://web.archive.org/web/20030630154949/http://games.espn.go.com/content/wvgm/2003/story?page=winner2002 - 2002 WNBA Virtual GM Overall Winner 2006 WNBA Triple Threat Overall Winner |
Posted By: lola101
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 9:38am
| Why would you send that letter to the Tribune? They barely even covered the Sky last season. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 10:11am
I sent it to Phil Hersch, who 2 weeks ago wrote an article about Candace Parker and the Sky.
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Posted By: hoopladreams
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 10:16am
I assume so that we could maybe get the truth (or at least some info) from a credible source instead of just relying on the words of a much-maligned random poster... ------------- http://www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com - www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com |
Posted By: MattinDE
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 10:35am
and much-maligning random poster
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Posted By: skyvolhills
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 12:02pm
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The sad thing is sexual harrassment happens all the time in womens sports it just gets swept under the rug a lot " for the benefit of the program" ------------- Make That Change!!! |
Posted By: notafan
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 1:16pm
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It's amazing to me that people are more upset at the person who first reported the harrassment than they are at the coach who resigned and was not fired. Resignation is voluntary in every instance. If I am accused of doing something as unethical of harrassing co-workers and it isn't true, then I fight the allegations with facts! Here we sit 2 days later and have yet to hear a word from Bo. I am not judging him, but I am not judging Cinderella either. As outlandish as you may find her posts to be, Bo's resignation makes her at least seem right here.
I would expect that in a generation where women still make less than men, are judge by physical appearance, harrassed at work, that you as fans of a professional women's team would be raising hell over the issue. Here is another situation in which winning (if you call 14-20 winning) seems more important than making the right decisions because they are RIGHT!
As my name states, I am not a fan, but I am a human and find harrassment to be unacceptable in every scenario. Kudus to Margaret for not letting the rumors continue to fly and most importantly... Kudos to Steve Key for sticking around in an organization that has seen its ups and downs since day one. I wish him the Sky and its fans much success!
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Posted By: MattinDE
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 1:23pm
Hey, another rookie defending Cinderella. The pattern continues...
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Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 1:30pm
While I have noted this phenomena in the past, there have been many new people the last day or so. If one of those new people just read Cinderella's latest slam without going back and looking at her posting history and ongoing anti-Bo crusade they would see that this latest allegation is the latest in a long long line of inflamatory posts, that new person might question why we would be so hesitant to question Cinderella's assertations.
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Posted By: notafan
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 1:46pm
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I am not defending anyone but myself. I could care less about Cinderella and Bo to be completely honest.
I wish I hadn't mentioned Cinderella's name at all. My point is that once more facts about the issue came into light, why are people making excuses about why they didnt or dont believe cinderella as opposed to whether or not Bo should have resigned?
In almost every sexual harrassment claim, there are two points of views. The views of the victim and the views of the accused. If we don't listen to the victim, then why report? The Sky didn't fire Bo, so maybe there was an investigation in process and he decided to walk instead. As the accused, he made his decison. I just hope the picture is bigger than some "anynomous internet wierdo" who broke the story...
Whatever the case, he's gone! So at least there won't be too much more Bo bashing from Cinderella
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Posted By: Rids
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 10:03pm
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If public figures stopped at every moment to dispute claims and slams against them made on public internet forums we would have a steady stream of press conferences on television. It creates a bad situation for a coach to address internet rumours at this point and time especially if the claims aren't true. Think of his PR if it isn't true - he becomes the thin skinned coach that gets pushed around by things written on the internet. Who is going to take a chance on that coach knowing the current world state of internet everywhere full of rumours, forums and general information. If it is true then I would imagine that he's taking consultation regarding when and where to address this issue. ------------- Go Sky! http://www.JessicaRidley.com << my country singing wife |
Posted By: lola101
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 10:30pm
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I'm just saying the Tribune was a poor choice. Phil Hersh covers Olympics and figure skating. He probably had to ask what the Sky was before writing that Candace Parker story. There are news outlets that cover the Sky regularly, but the Tribune isn't one of them. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 13Mar2008 at 10:46pm
Maybe. When I sent the e-mail, he replied and told me he wrote the Parker story because he covered her when she played high school ball in Naperville (which for the non-Chicago folks is a suburb of Chicago). At any rate, he was the author of the most recent newspaper article about the Sky so I sent it to him. |
Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 8:27am
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More coverage. This could get ugly. I hope not though. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/842165,3_2_EL14_B6SKY_S1.article - http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/842165,3_2_EL14_B6SKY_S1.article
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=153514&src=160 - http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=153514&src=160
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Posted By: idchafee
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 8:48am
From the 1st link I posted above:
So it appears there were in fact complaints at some point.
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Posted By: MattinDE
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 9:22am
That's not how I interpreted his comment. I interpreted the bold face comment that there was an internal investigation done based on Cinderella's recent allegations...not an investigation done based on prior complaints.
We'll see how this plays out, though.
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Posted By: bullsky
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 10:31am
We're about to find out what Cinderella is made of, folks.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/842165,3_2_EL14_B6SKY_S1.article - http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/842165,3_2_EL14_B6SKY_S1.article ------------- 2008 Chicago Sky 8-16 U-S-A! All The Way! |
Posted By: hoopladreams
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 10:57am
Good. I think finding out a bit about Cinderella may be the key to figuring out WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE! Cuz right now, I'm confused and frustrated and I don't know what the heck to think... ------------- http://www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com - www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com |
Posted By: snoopy
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 11:11am
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All I can say is I can't wait for Bo's attorneys to get involved and I predict Cinderella won't be so smug about this smear campaign!
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Posted By: greeneyes
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 11:46am
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Why is so many people eagerly believing in what some random person says? People say anything, but have yet to prove it. If players don't step up and say whats been going on, how can we believe what one person says? I still believe in America, where you are innocent until proven guilty. Step up Sky and show us. There's been many professional people humiliated because of the quickness to jump to conclusions. And yes, there are many that are indeed guilty. But the proof has to be out there for all to see. Then a judgement can be made. ------------- greeneyes |
Posted By: Huskie
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 12:14pm
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http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=153514 - http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=153514 ------------- # 33- Steph Raymond- never forgotten by a fellow Huskie. |
Posted By: vickilz
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 12:52pm
While it would be nice to know all the facts leading to Bo's resignation, WE are not entitled to them. The Sky has NO OBLIGATION to make a public statement about what lead to Bo's resignation. Would it help quiet the public circus that seems to be developing? Possibly.
Right or wrong, people have already formed their judgements based on what they have read here and in the media. (I question the media's ethics using the information on a message board as the source of material in their stories).
Bo's attorney is speaking out. Of course he is going to speak of his client as being innocent. The Sky will likely continue to be quiet, especially now that Bo has a lawyer working on his behalf.
There are a handful of people that KNOW the what really happened. They are the ones that are involved. Cinderella knows if he/she is being truthful or malicious. The person or persons who conducted the investigation know what, if anything, they uncovered, Bo and the players know if anything took place. The Sky know what the investigator told them. Unless this goes to a trial, WE are never going to know the REAL facts.
Even then we may not know. I'll end my lenghtly post by saying: Come on Sky Fans. Let's move past this issue, let's give Steve Key the congratulations he deserves and let's get ready for May!
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Posted By: cavery
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 4:09pm
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I'll end my lenghtly post by saying: Come on Sky Fans. Let's move past this issue, let's give Steve Key the congratulations he deserves and let's get ready for May!
I definitely have to agree. We have to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and move on. We as the true fans of the sky need to end this discussion now. Steve Key has been here from the beginning and he deserves to start without all the drama! So, I'll begin with...
Congrats Key!  ------------- New Season. New Venue. New Attitude. |
Posted By: greeneyes
Date Posted: 14Mar2008 at 4:57pm
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Snoopy, I couldn't agree more.
Ok, so everyone loves the "new" coach. That still doesn't give us the right to judge Mr. Overton, who has had a successful career and no other allegations to this point. He denies it and wants to get to the bottom of it. Let's get the facts out on the table first. That's common sense.
And who knows, this "cinderella" may start a rumor about the next coach too. If this one person can intimidate the Sky's owners/managers, what else could happen? I don't think they handled this very well. ------------- greeneyes |